[kroohrsr]

I would like to see the chief engineer that made the great video of how much care was taken into the design make a follow up video of the BS we are seeing with an explanation. Typical Japanese companies expect quality and entertainment f there is an issue , want a complete root cause. Why are the tiptoeing around. Please Mr chief engineer , please make another video but this time including the issues and plan of action.. perhaps we all need to start sending messages to the corporate office.

 

[kroohrsr]

Sorry explanation not entertainment

 

[ONEZ ST]

One piece of additional information. The first class action lawsuit has been filed against Toyota for an inadequate response to this problem. Not only does my truck have the occasional hard shift, its fuel mileage is 7-8 mpg below the EPA rating.

@ONEZ ST I was feeling the same way as you do as long as my truck shafted fine, but starting at 500 miles that changed, so I know there is something wrong with my transmission. Just keep driving it until it breaks is not an adequate response from Toyota IMO, which is basically what this lawsuit says.

You have more going on than the transmission. Next service, I would ask the dealership to reflash the engine and transmission control units

 

[massm82667]

One piece of additional information. The first class action lawsuit has been filed against Toyota for an inadequate response to this problem. Not only does my truck have the occasional hard shift, its fuel mileage is 7-8 mpg below the EPA rating.

@ONEZ ST I was feeling the same way as you do as long as my truck shafted fine, but starting at 500 miles that changed, so I know there is something wrong with my transmission. Just keep driving it until it breaks is not an adequate response from Toyota IMO, which is basically what this lawsuit says.

I’ve had a couple hard shifts as well.

question for you. I think you also have a terra color. Are you noticing chips in the paint. I’ve had two areas that have chipped. I don’t recall anything striking it

maybe I should ask that in a separate post but I am asking here

 

[ONEZ ST]

Are these issues still within the original tsb or are their failures beyond that? Mine is outside of it at at 6600 miles perfect. Total BS by Toyota to make people wait until it breaks. That will possibly.make the failure worse and possibly an accident. Toyota please read and wake up!

I dont think at this point Toyota has enough transmissions and TCs to support a total recall. Nor do I think with the scattered vin's in the TSB has Toyota finally narrowed down the suspect groups. And as we recently learned, a members recent propblem that some suspected was transmission related ended up being something totally different.

Its not ideal when you are in the suspect target group, but i feel Toyota simply is not in position, nor have they definitely identified the target group to start dropping transmissions under a recall while they are still grappling with the 100,000 engine recall.

Im trying to look at this through the eyes of Toyota as well as my own too. First, I am not happy that Im in the TSB group too. Second, I would feel more comfortable if Toyota extended the warranty on the transmission and TC. And third, I wonder if simply being tagged with this TSB diminishes the value.

 

[TacoFreak]

I would like to see the chief engineer that made the great video of how much care was taken into the design make a follow up video of the BS we are seeing with an explanation. Typical Japanese companies expect quality and entertainment f there is an issue , want a complete root cause. Why are the tiptoeing around. Please Mr chief engineer , please make another video but this time including the issues and plan of action.. perhaps we all need to start sending messages to the corporate office.

Yes - these are issues covered by the original TSB. The root cause was in manufacturing the torque converter- Aisin did not properly clean the casting debris from the torque converter housing and that gets into the transmission fluid. As it circulates it damages the shift solenoids and the torque converter solenoids and eventually they fail. When they lock and don't operate at all codes are set and that is when Toyota will replace the transmission. Sheldon Brown did a video about it but it was a punt. He said just a few early production transmissions were affected, but my truck was built on 7/27, so it went on for some time.

 

[TacoFreak]

I agree @ONEZ ST. If Toyota were to replace all of the possibly affected transmissions it would take thousands of them and it would take a long time. They are replacing over 100k Tundra engines and I think that will go on for years. I think our retained value will be affected, particularly if you want to sell soon. Eventually Toyota will fix this and I then I think it will matter less. Extending the warranty could well happen and I also trust Toyota to take care of this eventually.

 

[TacoFreak]

I’ve had a couple hard shifts as well.

question for you. I think you also have a terra color. Are you noticing chips in the paint. I’ve had two areas that have chipped. I don’t recall anything striking it

I think all of the colors will chip in just normal road use, particularly since the OEM mud flaps cover only part of the tires and Pros have no running boards.

Because I had seen posts of trucks with chips I had the sides covered with PPF. I have a few blemishes in the PPF but the paint is protected. I have looked for better mud flaps but have not found any that fit our trucks yet. I bought rock sliders which should also help prevent chips but I have not yet installed them.

 

[TacoFreak]

You have more going on than the transmission. Next service, I would ask the dealership to reflash the engine and transmission control units

Good advice and I will talk to my service department soon. Maybe they will want to reflash those control units and I will let them do what they think is appropriate.

I think my poor mileage traces back to the torque converter lock solenoid not always locking. That is one of the solenoids in the list of TSB codes and it would definitely affect fuel use. Strangely my truck usually gets better mileage in the city than it does on the highway.

I still love my truck and I just hope Toyota steps up and takes care of all of us.

 

[kroohrsr]

Tacofreak if yours was built in July , would it not be out of the tsb? I believe mine was built earlier in Baja and is about the tsb numbers.

 

[TacoFreak]

Nope - mine is in the TSB, and by over 1000 units. I know someone else whose truck was built on 8/6 and it is also included, but just 100 units below the break point.

 

[beacatron]

To me that really doesn't make sense. All I can saying I'm driving the hell out of mine and not worried or losing sleep. If it breaks it breaks but I trust Toyota reliability and so far have had no issues.

 

[kroohrsr]

Nope - mine is in the TSB, and by over 1000 units. I know someone else whose truck was built on 8/6 and it is also included, but just 100 units below the break point.

That's interesting, guess it depends on the location. Mine VIN starts with 3TMLB5 and above 17000. I picked a t up in May and is above the TSB for that VIN series. So I guess the. Hold date alone means nothing by itself, the location matters. My series tsb stops at about 11000 or so.

 

[kroohrsr]

Sounds like a plan.

 

[TacoFreak]

@kroohrsr Yeah - I have no idea how the VIN sequence works or why some later builds are included. it's just the way Toyota sourced the transmission and where the trucks were built I guess.

My VIN starts with 3TYLC5L and the last four numbers are 5347, which is below the cutoff of 6367.

I just got lucky I guess.

 

[kroohrsr]

Let's all hope this works out. Going for an oil change at ,6600 tomorrow. I did 3k and now 6.6k . My free ones are at 10k. I had to pay since they only honor at the 10k mark. No way I would ever go 10l on a new motor.

 

[Isoflame]

I've owned 6 Toyota manual tranny 4 cylinder 4x4's over the years, starting with an '85 4Runner. The 2024 Tacoma i-Force turbo 4x4 x-cab 6' bed purchased 2 weeks ago (assembled in Guanajuato on 08/22/2024 is the first automatic for me. Only had the truck for 2 weeks and driven 35 miles (20 of that from the dealership to home). Noticed the automatic transmission shifting was "sticky" and somewhat difficult. Then went online and read the TSB, every one of the 31 complaints and the lawsuit.

So called the both the local dealer (Daytona Toyota) and Toyota North America and asked if my VIN was outside of the current TSB does that mean the problem was identified and is likely to be confined to the specific VIN's mentioned in the bulletin, or is it just that recently built/assembled Tacoma transmissions like mine (08/22/2024) have not been on the road long enough to have the failure.

Neither could answer, and the local service manager didn't offer much other than "bring the truck in and we will have a tech ride with you to see". I only drive on average 2500k/yr (I'm retired) so I want to flush any problems out before a road out west next year to Tacoma visiting relatives. I want to have confidence that the transmission won't fail on the trip, leaving us stranded.

 

[TacoFreak]

I want to have confidence that the transmission won't fail on the trip, leaving us stranded.

That is the main concern of everyone included in this TSB, when might my transmission fail and where?

The shifting on mine is only occasionally hard - I mean really hard. But my fuel mileage is pathetic, which some people with failed transmission report also. So I can drive it like it is, although I know it isn't really right, but I have a hard time fully trusting it. Hopefully Toyota will do more to address this than they have at this point.

 

[Isoflame]

That is the main concern of everyone included in this TSB, when might my transmission fail and where?

The shifting on mine is only occasionally hard - I mean really hard. But my fuel mileage is pathetic, which some people with failed transmission report also. So I can drive it like it is, although I know it isn't really right, but I have a hard time fully trusting it. Hopefully Toyota will do more to address this than they have at this point.

After not getting much help over the phone from the dealership where I purchased, I called another nearby Toyota dealership (Parks Toyota/Deland) and was able to talk to a very courteous and professional service manager. Even though I did not buy there, he ran my VIN# and said it was not included in the current TSB.

He said that even though the automatic 8-speed Aisin in my SR Tacoma is the same as the range of Tacomas in the TSB, he said that it would be very unusual for the TSB to expand to another group that has not had the problem, and he added the problem was identified within a defined range, and most likely it will stay confined to the initial range as it has (yet) not shown up in a different set.

As you correctly said in a previous post: "I have no idea how the VIN sequence works or why some later builds are included. it's just the way Toyota sourced the transmission and where the trucks were built I guess. "

 

[TacoFreak]

I agree - if you VIN does not fall into any of the transmission TSB ranges you should be able to ignore this and just enjoy your truck.